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The following translation of Hermann Detering\u2019s review of Bart Ehrman\u2019s Did Jesus Exist?<\/em> has been sent to me and I am thrilled to be able to make it available on this blog. It is over 7000 words, too long, I think, for a blog post, so I am posting here just the first part of the review. The rest to follow. I have modified the translation in a few places to make it flow easier and to iron out some obscurities. I have also replaced the English translation of Detering\u2019s German language quotes of Ehrman\u2019s words with the original English versions. All hyperlinks and notes in the \u201c*see also\u201d inset box are my additions, as also are the images. Endnotes are Detering\u2019s, of course, and I have relocated these in other inset boxes, too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Hermann Detering (1953-2018)<\/em> <\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

Prof. \u201cErrorman\u201d and the non-Christian sources<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

<\/a>1. Bart Ehrman\u2019s book, Did Jesus exist?<\/em><\/h5>\n\n\n\n

The introduction to the book ushers us into the following scene: Bart D. Ehrman, PhD, Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, actually wanted to write a completely different, more important work, namely about how a Jewish end-time prophet named Jesus became a divine being or God. But then he was startled by some emails. He suddenly found himself taken up by a scene that was apparently unknown to him until then: Mythicists who appealed to his authority for their claim that there had been no Jesus! Reason enough for a conscientious \u201cNew Testament scholar\u201d to take a closer look at the matter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Although Ehrman had by then read \u201cthousands of books about Jesus in English and other European languages, the New Testament and early Christianity,\u201d he was \u201clike most colleagues completely unaware of the extent of sceptical literature [on the subject]\u201d (p. 2). For a professor of theology and biblical scholar who should be up to date and in daily conversation with his students, this long phase of ignorance is astonishing enough, especially since the question of the historical existence of the man from Nazareth must have occurred again and again in the mass of Jesus literature he read. For example, in The Quest of the Historical Jesus<\/em> by Albert Schweitzer, often quoted by Ehrman, in which this very subject is dealt with on many hundreds of book pages. This book and others should at least have curbed Ehrman\u2019s boundless surprise and shown him that the question \u201cDid Jesus exist?\u201d is not an entirely fanciful one, and that New Testament research has been periodically occupied with it. Moreover, it is not just since yesterday that the question has been on the agenda of those American \u201chumanists\u201d who read his books and with whom, according to his own statement, he has been in contact for a long time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

However, not everything Ehrman writes should be taken quite so literally. The reader of his book, which is written in a casual conversational tone, has to get used to this and other contradictions. The \u201ccasual conversational tone\u201d is not meant as hidden criticism: one should be grateful for the good readability, especially since it saves German readers with \u201cmediocre\u201d English skills a lot of reference work in the dictionary. The fact that the casual presentation and simple language always turns into pure superficiality is, of course, the other side of the coin that we still have to get to grips with.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Instead of immediately shining with new perspectives and objective examination of the mythicists\u2019 theses, Ehrman deals with the mythicists and \u2013 again and again with pleasure \u2013 with himself. Ehrman about Ehrman \u2013 a broad field\u2026 The professor strives for clear demarcation:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There<\/em> \u2014 the \u201cbreed\u201d (Ehrman in an interview*) of mythicists, a shadowy group that shies away from the light, concocting dark conspiracy theories in the worldwide channels of the network. With a few exceptions, neither academic degrees nor titles legitimize them to make a meaningful contribution to the difficult historical and religious-historical problems with which Professor Ehrman and his peers have struggled for decades at the forefront of science. In addition, loud, brash and aggressive in appearance, enemies of religion, atheists, and thrown from cliff to cliff by half-knowledge, stupidity and error. Avanti Dilettanti!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here<\/em> \u2014 the \u201cNew Testament scholar\u201d, in the full splendour of his academic titles, honours and prizes, among his numerous students, whose questions he answers conscientiously and competently, proven author of numerous non-fiction books, who as such receives tons of e-mails (\u201cLike most authors, I receive tons of e-mail\u201d, p. 94) (apropos, how do you actually weigh e-mails?). A textbook example of biblical scholarship and theology as he is \u2013 imbued with his subject matter, which includes reading the Bible by him daily in the original Greek or Hebrew; who has been studying and teaching for over 35 years and \u201cI don\u2019t plan to stop any time soon\u201d (p. 36). Yes, why should he? Does anyone want to stop him? The mythicists for instance?!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And yet no apologist! Ehrman wants to be understood as a pure historian, who is only interested in historical evidence. \u201cI am not a Christian, and I have no interest in promoting any Christian cause or agenda. I am an agnostic with atheist leanings and my life and views would be approximately the same whether or not Jesus existed\u2026 The answer to the question about the historical existence of Jesus will not make me more or less happy, content, hopeful, likable, rich, famous, or immortal\u201d (p. 5f).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[1] \u201cJesus has existed\u201d, 2x, \u201cJesus has existed\u201d, p. 6, \u201che certainly lived\u201d, p. 37, 2x, \u201chas certainly existed\u201d, p. 173, \u201chad a real historical existence\u201d, p. 92, \u201cwas a real man \u2026 a man of flesh and blood\u201d, p. 117, \u201creally lived\u201d, p. 177, \u201che lived\u201d, p. 185, cf. p. 204, and finally the final sentence: \u201cJesus existed, whether we like it or not\u201d, p. 339<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

[2] Bart D. Ehrman re: Did Jesus exist on NPR\u2019s All Things Considered. <\/em>https:\/\/www.npr.org\/transcripts\/149462376?t=1592237446871<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

With these words Ehrman sets aside all suspicions that could possibly arise in answering the question \u201cDid Jesus exist?\u201d \u2014 all bias is set aside. No, this man is not only competent, not out for sensation or filthy mammon, like most book-writing deniers of the historical Jesus, but completely unbiased, a selfless fighter for historical truth. This is the point of view that the book, with its the suggestively repeated thesis \u201cJesus certainly \/ actually \/ really lived!\u201d, should be understood [1]. \u201cFrom a dispassionate point of view, there was a Jesus of Nazareth\u201d (p. 7)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But wait! Wasn\u2019t there a recent interview where Ehrman postulated: \u201cJesus\u2019 teachings of love, and mercy and forgiveness, I think, really should dominate our lives, on the personal level, I agree with many of the ethical teachings of Jesus and I try to model my life on them, even though I don\u2019t agree with the apocalyptic framework in which they were put.\u201d [2]<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But for now, let\u2019s take it from Ehrman that he approaches the matter without prejudice, even if the tone he takes in his book and in previous interviews against the mythicists whom he compares with Holocaust deniers (p. 5) sounds a little too irritable and rude by academic standards. The intention to examine without prejudice the question of the existence of the man from Nazareth deserves respect in any case. Respect for the other\u2019s opinion and good academic manners should, however, also dictate that good will in the search for historical truth should not be denied to the other side. What counts in the end anyway is not only the good intentions or the respective ideological background, but the better historical arguments.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is of course correct that there are also quite big differences in quality among the publications of the \u201cChrist-mythicist\u201d. It is clear that the arguments with which Acharya S. D. M. Murdock, for instance, presents her theses in books like The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold<\/em> (!) etc., are not always able to convince a professional biblical scholar. Also, the Jesus Mysteries<\/em> of the author duo Freke-Gandy contain historically highly problematic and partly quite outdated theses. A number of errors and sloppiness in both books cannot be overlooked. And yet, of course, it would be completely absurd to generalize the picture that emerges from them and apply it to all \u201cmythicists\u201d or radical critics. By this method, Ehrman could be lumped together with the author of the Da Vinci Code, since both authors are obviously convinced of the historical existence of the man from Nazareth. Mythicists could now claim that the thesis that Jesus existed is absurd, if only because Dan Brown and other bestselling authors continually presuppose his existence in their books. Logic according to Ehrman\u2019s sense\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The accusation repeatedly made by Ehrman in interviews against Timothy Freke and other mythicists that they deny the existence of Jesus only to sell books is disingenuous. As a man of honor, Ehrman should rather be thankful to them for the fact that their books gave him the opportunity to sell a public bestseller himself, even with his own trailer (see his Facebook page<\/a>). If he himself were only interested in the unselfish dissemination of his ideas, he could put his book as a pdf file on his website for free.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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2016 Facebook page, \u201cNew York Times bestselling author Bart D\u2026.\u201d The current Facebook page<\/a> has the same trailer.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

As for the claim that \u201cmythicists\u201d generally do not possess a theological or other doctoral or equivalent title that would legitimize them for the work, Ehrman himself knows and names exceptions, e.g. Robert M. Price, Richard Carrier or Tom Harpur. He could have included Darrell Doughty, whom I admired so much and who unfortunately died all too soon. With Google\u2019s help and a quick glance across the pond, the author of these lines might have come to his mind, who since his dissertation in 1992, The Fabricated Paul<\/em>, 1995, or The False Witnesses<\/em>, 2011, as well as in many articles on his website and elsewhere, has dealt with this topic and has taken a radically critical position. Worse, however, Ehrman also completely ignores the representatives of the so-called Dutch Radical Critique, whom he should have known from Albert Schweitzer\u2019s book: theologians with doctorates, practising pastors, university lecturers \u2013 and most of them deniers of the historicity of Jesus. The last of them, G.A. van den Bergh van Eysinga, \u201cGrand Master of Radical Criticism\u201d, died in 1957.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, that too was a while ago. And yet a glance at these honorable gentlemen who by definition must be uneducated dilettantes and fanatical atheists could have cured Professor Ehrman of his obsession with denying the historical Jesus. Ignoring these radical critics of the New Testament does not bear good testimony to the research work of the American professor. As a professional biblical scholar, Ehrman should not spend too much time dealing with easy opponents like Acharya or Freke-Gandy, but \u2013 so much self-confidence is needed! \u2013 to fight against equal sparring partners.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Apparently Ehrman wants to deduce already from the mere marginal existence or non-existence of mythicists at the biblical science \/ theological faculties that their theories are nonsense. But since when is the question of (historical) truth decided by majorities? Have not all new theories once started small and often had to face bitter resistance and academic conceit? And is the thing with the unhistorical Jesus really so abstruse that it does not find academic teachers who take pity on it? Obviously not, because how else \u2013 according to Ehrman\u2019s own statement \u2013 could it infect more and more people, so that scepticism threatens to become more and more a phenomenon of our culture? Is the problem not rather that candidates for the theological chair \u2013 apart from the scientific qualification \u2013 must still today fulfil certain theological and ideological basic conditions and prerequisites? The case of L\u00fcdemann<\/a> was, at least for German theologians, a quite revealing eye-opener. One could also learn from the case of Mohammed Kalisch<\/a>. Against this background Ehrman\u2019s omissions must appear either completely thoughtless or cynical.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But after this banter, to which Ehrman\u2019s strange fixation on silly accessories such as doctorates and other academic vanities seduces again and again, let us turn to the real issue, i.e. the arguments for and against. It is astonishing enough that Ehrman needs about 370 pages to refute a thesis which he considers to be scientifically absolutely unfounded. After his interviews and introductory remarks, one would expect that a few sentences or psychiatric reports would have sufficed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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these deniers of Jesus are at the same time denouncers of religion \u2014 a breed of human now very much in vogue. <\/em><\/strong>Ehrman, Bart D. 2012. \u201cDid Jesus Exist?\u201d HuffPost<\/em> (blog). March 20, 2012. https:\/\/www.huffpost.com\/entry\/did-jesus-exist_b_1349544<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Richard Carrier is one of the new breed of mythicists. <\/strong><\/em> Ehrman, Bart. 2012. \u201cFuller Reply to Richard Carrier.\u201d The Bart Ehrman Blog<\/em> (blog). April 25, 2012. https:\/\/ehrmanblog.org\/fuller-reply-to-richard-carrier\/<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

this rare breed . . . comprises a growing cadre . . . <\/strong><\/em>Ehrman, Bart. 2012. \u201cDid Jesus Exist? The Birth of a Divine Man.\u201d The Bart Ehrman Blog<\/em> (blog). May 11, 2012. https:\/\/ehrmanblog.org\/did-jesus-exist-the-birth-of-a-divine-man-for-members\/<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n

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