{"id":1321,"date":"2014-08-31T09:36:05","date_gmt":"2014-08-31T09:36:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mythikismos.gr\/?p=1321"},"modified":"2014-08-31T09:36:05","modified_gmt":"2014-08-31T09:36:05","slug":"did-the-historical-jesus-exist-a-growing-number-of-scholars-dont-think-so","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mythikismos.gr\/?p=1321","title":{"rendered":"Did the historical Jesus exist? A growing number of scholars don\u2019t think so"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mythikismos.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/myth.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1322 aligncenter\" alt=\"myth\" src=\"https:\/\/mythikismos.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/myth-202x300.jpg\" width=\"202\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mythikismos.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/myth-202x300.jpg 202w, https:\/\/mythikismos.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/myth-689x1024.jpg 689w, https:\/\/mythikismos.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/myth-600x890.jpg 600w, https:\/\/mythikismos.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/myth.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 202px) 100vw, 202px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Most antiquities scholars think that the New Testament gospels are \u201cmythologized history.\u201d\u00a0 In other words, they think that around the start of the first century a controversial Jewish rabbi named Yeshua ben Yosef gathered a following and his life and teachings provided the seed that grew into Christianity.<\/p>\n<p><strong>By Valerie Tarico<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>At the same time, these scholars acknowledge that many Bible stories like the virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, and women at the tomb borrow and\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/awaypoint.wordpress.com\/2013\/03\/28\/ancient-sumerian-origins-of-the-easter-story\/\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/awaypoint.wordpress.com\/2013\/03\/28\/ancient-sumerian-origins-of-the-easter-story\/\"><b>rework mythic themes<\/b><\/a>\u00a0that were common in the Ancient Near East, much the way that screenwriters base new movies on old familiar tropes or plot elements. In this view, a \u201chistorical Jesus\u201d\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/awaypoint.wordpress.com\/2009\/01\/09\/ancient-mythic-origins-of-the-christmas-story\/\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/awaypoint.wordpress.com\/2009\/01\/09\/ancient-mythic-origins-of-the-christmas-story\/\"><b>became mythologized<\/b><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>For over 200 years, a wide ranging array of theologians and historians\u2014most of them Christian\u2014analyzed ancient texts, both those that made it into the Bible and those that didn\u2019t, in attempts to excavate the man behind the myth.\u00a0 Several current or recent bestsellers take this approach, distilling the scholarship for a popular audience. Familiar titles include\u00a0<em>Zealot<\/em><i>\u00a0<\/i>by Reza Aslan and\u00a0\u00a0<em>How Jesus Became God<\/em><i>\u00a0<\/i>by\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartdehrman.com\/books.htm\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.bartdehrman.com\/books.htm\"><b>Bart Ehrman<\/b><\/a><em>.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>But other scholars believe that the gospel stories are actually \u201chistoricized mythology.\u201d\u00a0 In this view, those ancient mythic templates are themselves the kernel. They got filled in with names, places and other real world details as early sects of Jesus worship attempted to understand and defend the devotional traditions they had received.<\/p>\n<p>The notion that Jesus never existed is a minority position.\u00a0\u00a0<em>Of course it is!<\/em>\u00a0says David Fitzgerald, author of\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Nailed-Christian-Myths-Jesus-Existed\/dp\/0557709911\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Nailed-Christian-Myths-Jesus-Existed\/dp\/0557709911\"><em><b>Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All<\/b><\/em><\/a><i>\u00a0<\/i><em>.<\/em><i>\u00a0<\/i>For centuries all serious scholars of Christianity were Christians themselves, and modern secular scholars lean heavily on the groundwork that they laid in collecting, preserving, and analyzing ancient texts. Even today most secular scholars come out of a religious background, and many operate by default under historical presumptions of their former faith.<\/p>\n<p>Fitzgerald is an atheist speaker and writer, popular with secular students and community groups. The internet phenom,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=OrHeg77LF4Y\" data-cke-saved-href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=OrHeg77LF4Y\"><b>Zeitgeist the Movie<\/b><\/a>\u00a0introduced millions to some of the mythic roots of Christianity. But Zeitgeist and similar works contain known errors and oversimplifications that undermine their credibility. Fitzgerald seeks to correct that by giving young people interesting, accessible information that is grounded in accountable scholarship.<\/p>\n<p>More academic arguments in support of the Jesus Myth theory can be found in the writings of Richard Carrier and Robert Price. Carrier, who has a Ph.D. in ancient history\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardcarrier.info\/jesus.html\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.richardcarrier.info\/jesus.html\"><b>uses<\/b><\/a>\u00a0the tools of his trade to show, among other things, how Christianity might have gotten off the ground without a miracle. Price, by contrast,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com\/\"><b>writes<\/b><\/a>\u00a0from the perspective of a theologian whose biblical scholarship ultimately formed the basis for his skepticism. It is interesting to note that some of the harshest debunkers of fringe Jesus myth theories like those from Zeitgeist or Joseph Atwill (who tries to argue that the Romans invented Jesus) are from serious Mythicists like Fitzgerald, Carrier and Price.<\/p>\n<p>The arguments on both sides of this question\u2014mythologized history or historicized mythology\u2014fill volumes, and if anything the debate seems to be heating up rather than resolving. A growing number of scholars are openly questioning or actively arguing against Jesus\u2019 historicity. Since many people, both Christian and not, find it surprising that this debate even exists\u2014that credible scholars might think Jesus never existed\u2014here are some of the key points that keep the doubts alive:<\/p>\n<p><strong>1. No first century secular evidence whatsoever exists to support the actuality of Yeshua ben Yosef<\/strong>.\u00a0 In the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartdehrman.com\/books\/jesus_apocalyptic_prophet.htm\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.bartdehrman.com\/books\/jesus_apocalyptic_prophet.htm\"><b>words of<\/b><\/a>\u00a0Bart Ehrman: \u201cWhat sorts of things do pagan authors from the time of Jesus have to say about him? Nothing. As odd as it may seem, there is no mention of Jesus at all by any of his pagan contemporaries. There are no birth records, no trial transcripts, no death certificates; there are no expressions of interest, no heated slanders, no passing references \u2013 nothing. In fact, if we broaden our field of concern to the years after his death \u2013 even if we include the entire first century of the Common Era \u2013 there is not so much as a solitary reference to Jesus in any non-Christian, non-Jewish source of any kind. I should stress that we do have a large number of documents from the time \u2013 the writings of poets, philosophers, historians, scientists, and government officials, for example, not to mention the large collection of surviving inscriptions on stone and private letters and legal documents on papyrus. In none of this vast array of surviving writings is Jesus\u2019 name ever so much as mentioned.\u201d (pp. 56-57)<\/p>\n<p>2.\u00a0<strong>The earliest New Testament writers seem ignorant of the details of Jesus\u2019 life, which become more crystalized in later texts.<\/strong><b>\u00a0<\/b>Paul seems unaware of any virgin birth, for example. No wise men, no star in the east, no miracles. Historians have long puzzled over the \u201cSilence of Paul\u201d on the most basic biographical facts and teachings of Jesus. Paul fails to cite Jesus\u2019 authority precisely when it would make his case. What\u2019s more, he never calls the twelve apostles Jesus\u2019 disciples; in fact, he never says Jesus HAD disciples \u2013or a ministry, or did miracles, or gave teachings. He virtually refuses to disclose any other biographical detail, and the few cryptic hints he offers aren\u2019t just vague, but contradict the gospels. The leaders of the early Christian movement in Jerusalem like Peter and James are supposedly Jesus\u2019 own followers and family; but Paul dismisses them as nobodies and repeatedly opposes them for not being true Christians!<\/p>\n<p>Liberal theologian Marcus Borg\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/marcus-borg\/a-chronological-new-testament_b_1823018.html\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/marcus-borg\/a-chronological-new-testament_b_1823018.html\"><b>suggests<\/b><\/a>\u00a0that people read the books of the New Testament in chronological order to see how early Christianity unfolded.\u00a0 \u201cPlacing the Gospels after Paul makes it clear that as written documents they are not the source of early Christianity but its product. The Gospel \u2014 the good news \u2014 of and about Jesus existed before the Gospels. They are the products of early Christian communities several decades after Jesus\u2019 historical life and tell us how those communities saw his significance in their historical context.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>3.\u00a0<strong>Even the New Testament stories don\u2019t claim to be first-hand accounts.<\/strong>\u00a0We now know that the four gospels were assigned the names of the apostles Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, not written by them. To make matter sketchier, the name designations happened sometime in second century, around 100 years or more after Christianity supposedly began. For a\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblicalstudies.org.uk\/article_nt_gempf.html\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.biblicalstudies.org.uk\/article_nt_gempf.html\"><b>variety of reasons<\/b><\/a>, the practice of pseudonymous writing was common at the time and many contemporary documents are \u201csigned\u201d by famous figures.\u00a0 The same is true of the New Testament epistles except for a handful of letters from Paul (6 out of 13) which are broadly thought to be genuine.\u00a0 But even the gospel stories\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/pages\/frontline\/shows\/religion\/story\/gospels.html\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/pages\/frontline\/shows\/religion\/story\/gospels.html\"><b>don\u2019t actually say<\/b><\/a>, \u201cI was there.\u201d Rather, they claim the existence of other witnesses, a phenomenon familiar to anyone who has heard the phrase,\u00a0<em>my aunt knew someone who<\/em>\u00a0. . . .<\/p>\n<p>4.\u00a0<strong>The gospels, our only accounts of a historical Jesus, contradict each other.<\/strong><b>\u00a0<\/b>If you think you know the Jesus story pretty well, I suggest that you pause at this point to test yourself with the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/exchristian.net\/3\/\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/exchristian.net\/3\/\"><b>20 question quiz<\/b><\/a>\u00a0at ExChristian.net.<\/p>\n<p>The gospel of Mark is thought to be the earliest existing \u201clife of Jesus,\u201d and linguistic analysis suggests that Luke and Matthew both simply reworked Mark and added their own corrections and new material. But they contradict each other and, to an even greater degree contradict the much later gospel of John, because they were written with different objectives for different audiences. The\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/articles.exchristian.net\/2004\/04\/easter-facts-quotes-and-quiz-for-you.html\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/articles.exchristian.net\/2004\/04\/easter-facts-quotes-and-quiz-for-you.html\"><b>incompatible Easter stories<\/b><\/a>\u00a0offer one example of how much the stories disagree.<\/p>\n<p>5.\u00a0<strong>Modern scholars who claim to have uncovered the real historical Jesus depict wildly different persons.<\/strong>\u00a0 They include a cynic philosopher, charismatic Hasid, liberal Pharisee, conservative rabbi, Zealot revolutionary, nonviolent pacifist to borrow from a much longer list\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Deconstructing-Jesus-Robert-M-Price\/dp\/1573927589\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Deconstructing-Jesus-Robert-M-Price\/dp\/1573927589\"><b>assembled by Price<\/b><\/a>. In his words (pp. 15-16), \u201cThe historical Jesus (if there was one) might well have been a messianic king, or a progressive Pharisee, or a Galilean shaman, or a magus, or a Hellenistic sage.\u00a0 But he cannot very well have been all of them at the same time.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.johndominiccrossan.com\/The%20Historical%20Jesus.htm\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.johndominiccrossan.com\/The%20Historical%20Jesus.htm\"><b>John Dominic Crossan<\/b><\/a>\u00a0of the Jesus Seminar grumbles that \u201cthe stunning diversity is an academic embarrassment.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>For David Fitzgerald, these issues and more lead to a conclusion that\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wwjtd\/2012\/01\/will-the-real-jesus-please-stand-up\/\" data-cke-saved-href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/wwjtd\/2012\/01\/will-the-real-jesus-please-stand-up\/\"><b>he finds inescapable<\/b><\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>Jesus appears to be an effect, not a cause, of Christianity. Paul and the rest of the first generation of Christians searched the Septuagint translation of Hebrew scriptures to create a Mystery Faith for the Jews, complete with pagan rituals like a Lord\u2019s Supper, Gnostic terms in his letters, and a personal savior god to rival those in their neighbors\u2019 longstanding Egyptian, Persian, Hellenistic and Roman traditions.<\/p>\n<p>In a soon-to-be-released follow up to\u00a0<em>Nailed<\/em>, entitled\u00a0<em>Jesus: Mything in Action<\/em>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/david.fitzgerald.33633\" data-cke-saved-href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/david.fitzgerald.33633\"><b>Fitzgerald<\/b><\/a>\u00a0argues that the many competing versions proposed by secular scholars are just as problematic as any \u201cJesus of Faith:\u201d Even if one accepts that there was a real Jesus of Nazareth, the question has little practical meaning: Regardless of whether or not a first century rabbi called Yeshua ben Yosef lived, the \u201chistorical Jesus\u201d figures so patiently excavated and re-assembled by secular scholars are themselves fictions.<\/p>\n<p>We may never know for certain what put Christian history in motion. Only time (or perhaps time travel) will tell.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rawstory.com\/rs\/2014\/08\/30\/did-the-historical-jesus-exist-a-growing-number-of-scholars-dont-think-so\/?onswipe_redirect=no&amp;oswrr=1\">Source<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; Most antiquities scholars think that the New Testament gospels are \u201cmythologized history.\u201d\u00a0 In other words, they think that around the start of the first century a controversial Jewish rabbi named Yeshua ben Yosef gathered a following and his life and teachings provided the seed that grew into Christianity. 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